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arthur wouk
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Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:47 am Post subject:
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i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
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getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
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Jerry Okamura
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Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:06 am Post subject:
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Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you, if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of attacks, but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense cannot
overcome.
"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
| Quote: | i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address |
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Jean Smith
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Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:05 am Post subject:
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In article <zI3ue.46586$ya2.27685@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you, if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of attacks, but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense cannot
overcome.
"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
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What's wrong in Palestine? Tell GW before he spends $B or $T on
antimissile defense.
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http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayseries.asp?collid=233
Southern Forest http://tinyurl.com/cot2 | Society's Disasterous
Decisions http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/diamond03/diamond_index.html
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Jerry Okamura
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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"Jean Smith" <gotermite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gotermite-B8D177.23544421062005@news1.east.earthlink.net...
| Quote: | In article <zI3ue.46586$ya2.27685@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you, if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of attacks,
but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense
cannot
overcome.
"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to
combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
What's wrong in Palestine? Tell GW before he spends $B or $T on
antimissile defense.
What is wrong with Palestine, and what has that got to do with what we are |
talking about? As for the antimissile defense system, do you know enough
about what the program is trying to accomplish to know with any degree of
certainty that it will not work? What are you going to have to say, if
North Korea sends a couple of ICBM's heading toward the US? What are you
going to do, throw spit balls at it? |
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Olly Mensch
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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Jerry - excellent response to Jean, who stated some mysterious thoughts
about anti-missile defense and the connection with Palestine????
They are two separate topics - and,like you, I agree and hope that we
willk indeed,invest in anti-missile defense, since it is a very real
threat to us HERE.
Olly |
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Olly Mensch
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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Jean - - what is the connection between your question:"What is wrong in
Palestine?? Before GW spends another billion on missile defense." What
does one have to do with the other?? Anti-missile defense, in my view,
is well worth investing in - but in no way relates to the problem with
the Palestinians.
Olly |
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Jean Smith
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Jean Smith
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:09 am Post subject:
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In article <h3jue.64952$887.44046@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Jean Smith" <gotermite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gotermite-B8D177.23544421062005@news1.east.earthlink.net...
In article <zI3ue.46586$ya2.27685@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you, if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of attacks,
but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense
cannot
overcome.
"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to
combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
What's wrong in Palestine? Tell GW before he spends $B or $T on
antimissile defense.
What is wrong with Palestine, and what has that got to do with what we are
talking about? As for the antimissile defense system, do you know enough
about what the program is trying to accomplish to know with any degree of
certainty that it will not work? What are you going to have to say, if
North Korea sends a couple of ICBM's heading toward the US? What are you
going to do, throw spit balls at it?
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Hey, someone said that defense's are always overcome. I was providing
some examples. There is science supporting that opinion.
--
http://publicradiofan.com/cgi-bin/whatson.pl?when=nowsoon&type=non-music
http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayseries.asp?collid=233
Southern Forest http://tinyurl.com/cot2 | Society's Disasterous
Decisions http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/diamond03/diamond_index.html |
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Jerry Okamura
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Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject:
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"Jean Smith" <gotermite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gotermite-526D8E.20095322062005@news1.east.earthlink.net...
| Quote: | In article <h3jue.64952$887.44046@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"Jean Smith" <gotermite@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gotermite-B8D177.23544421062005@news1.east.earthlink.net...
In article <zI3ue.46586$ya2.27685@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you,
if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of
attacks,
but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense
cannot
overcome.
"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to
combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
What's wrong in Palestine? Tell GW before he spends $B or $T on
antimissile defense.
What is wrong with Palestine, and what has that got to do with what we
are
talking about? As for the antimissile defense system, do you know enough
about what the program is trying to accomplish to know with any degree of
certainty that it will not work? What are you going to have to say, if
North Korea sends a couple of ICBM's heading toward the US? What are you
going to do, throw spit balls at it?
Hey, someone said that defense's are always overcome. I was providing
some examples. There is science supporting that opinion.
I said that a any defense can be overcome by a better offense. That does |
not mean you should not try to "defend" yourself. Think of it this way.
Without a missile defense shield, just about everything they throw at you
will do an awful lot of damage. On the other hand, if you do have a ability
to knock out some or all of the ICBM's headed your way, that will result in
less damage, then if you had no defense shield at all. It also preserves
more of your assets to launch a counter attack. Which any adversary should
be concerned about, because if they are not able to knock out every nuclear
capability you have, then they have to anticipate that your country is also
going to be hit, and hit hard. Especially, if you do not have the means to
knock down the ICBM's headed your way. |
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Earl Anthony
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Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:03 am Post subject:
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
| Quote: | Total foolishness. Fact: you cannot stop someone from attacking you, if
they intent to attack you. You can only minimize the number of attacks, but
there is no defensive system devised by man, that a smarter offense cannot
overcome.
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Bingo
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"arthur wouk" <awouk@blackhole.nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1119404873.51386@irys.nyx.net...
i found the following artivle very interesteing:
Counterterrorism in Retrospect
A new history of the United States' pre-September 11 efforts to combat
terrorism portrays them as marked by myopia, indecision, and
diffidence.
by Martha Crenshaw
http://www.foreignaffairs.org
some of our problems are inherent in our political system,
unfortunately.
--
getting out of bed in the morning is an act of false confidence
- jules feifer
to email me, delete blackhole. from my return address
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