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Doug Kanter
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
Finding bond symbols |
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Where's a good place to find trading symbols for corporate bonds? Ameritrade
says I can buy them in my account, but the person I spoke with was clueless
as far as finding symbols.
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704set
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:
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I'm not aware of any.
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Doug Kanter
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject:
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How about CUSIP numbers?
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LuckyDucky
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ynotssor
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:49 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Where's a good place to find trading symbols for corporate bonds?
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Does http://screen.yahoo.com/bonds.html meet your needs? It doesn't seem to
return "symbols", but I know nothing about trading corporate bonds, or if
such are even represented by symbols. |
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Doug Kanter
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:00 am Post subject:
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Close, but no CUSIP numbers or symbols. I'm beginning to wonder if the
trading symbols I saw while working at PaineWebber (1987-1991) were purely
an in-house invention. But, CUSIP number definitely are not. |
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Bill Reid
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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Probably not an in-house invention, but unique to your data service
provider or a dealer convention. Since bonds don't trade on a centralized
exchange, they really don't have universal symbols assigned to them by the
exchanges like stocks. But data providers will typically assign some type
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symbol to at least some types of bonds, and dealers may also
have some type of symbol short-cuts to identify bonds.
The provider symbols will differ depending on the provider, just like
the symbols used to identify various averages and indexes, i.e., Reuters
identifies the NASDAQ composite as ^IXIC while Bridge uses
something like COMPX, etc.
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William Ernest Reid
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pmess
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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There are some exchange traded bonds which have tickers such as GJM and GMW.
Quantumonline.com has a full list and a whole lot of other stuff that an
income investor would have an interest in.
"Doug Kanter" wrote
| Quote: | Close, but no CUSIP numbers or symbols. I'm beginning to wonder if the
trading symbols I saw while working at PaineWebber (1987-1991) were purely
an in-house invention. But, CUSIP number definitely are not.
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Doug
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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| I believe there are some bonds traded on the NYSE that have tickers. |
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Doug Kanter
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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That makes sense. At the time, we used Quotron. A few years after I left,
they went to a totally proprietary computer system, so I have no idea what
they use now. |
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Bill Reid
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
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Doug wrote:
| Quote: | I believe there are some bonds traded on the NYSE that have tickers.
Hmmmm, it appears that you may be correct sir... |
Google(TM) proves again to be worth every penny of its $400/sh
price. Type in "bond symbols", and a split-second later this appears
as the top link:
http://www.nysedata.com/bondsymbols/
And here are the first few entries in the list:
ABS Bond Symbols
File Date: Friday, November 11, 2005
Symbol Name Issue Type CUSIP
ADP ZR12 AUTOMATIC DATA PROCESSING ZR CPN LYON 2/20/12 Convertible
053015AC7001
AFC 25 ALLMERICA FIN CORP 7 5/8% SR DEB 10/15/25 Domestic 019754AA8011
AFD 30 AMERICAN & FOREIGN PWR 5% DEB 3/1/30 Domestic 023663AB3011
AFG 07 AMERICAN FIN GROUP 7 1/8% NTS 12/15/2007 Domestic 025932AA2011
AFG 09 AMERICAN FIN GROUP 7 1/8% NTS 04/15/2009 Domestic 025932AB0011
AGM 08 FED.AGRICULTURAL MRTG CORP 4.25 NTS 7/29/2008 Domestic 31315PNA3011
AIG 09 INTERNATIONAL LEASE FINC 6.375%NTS 03/15/2009 Domestic 459745EZ4011
AL 12 ALCAN INC 4 7/8% NTS 09/15/2012 Foreign 013716AR6001
AMGF 09 AMERICAN GENERAL FINANCE 8.45% NTS 10/15/09 Domestic 02635KAX2011
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Not sure if the same symbols would show up in Quotron, Bloomberg,
etc., but there they is...
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Doug Kanter
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Finding bond symbols |
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| Quote: | Google(TM) proves again to be worth every penny of its $400/sh
price. Type in "bond symbols", and a split-second later this appears
as the top link:
http://www.nysedata.com/bondsymbols/
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Good link, but the listed ones are a very small chunk of the entire universe
of domestic corporate bonds. For instance, there are no Eastman Kodak bonds
in that list. I may be looking for the holy grail, though. It appears some
bonds are held by investors and a few large firms, and visible only to the
normal brokerage houses. At least that's what I suspect so far. This could
change in 20 minutes as I look further. |
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Blash
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
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"Listed" bonds probably comprise less than 1% of what's really out
there......you won't get the inside scoop from a discounter
either.......you'll need an "IN" at a major firm to get the info you
want......... |
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Doug Kanter
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
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And therein lies the hitch. I'm about to move my son's college $$$ away from
a major firm whose broker hasn't called me in a year. This ain't chump
change, either. What I'm really looking for is a way to satisfy his mom, who
wants some of his money in "really safe stuff", not stocks. For us,
corporate bonds and CDs are in that category. There are some BB to A rated
bonds that beat CDs by enough to make them interesting. |
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stockguy104
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Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:21 pm Post subject:
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BB or A? not for a college fund
I use step up agency paper, although callable takes some of the worry about rising interest rates. My broker, not at a major firm but at an independant firm also put me into these high water mark funds, from sun america funds. Its a mutual fund that guarentees your principal you invest. |
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