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Tom M
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:
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I've used quicken for years, but have had the time to manually enter all
transactions in my various interactive accounts.
Now my working single mom daughter wants my help to set up Q05, but she
doesn't have the time I do. She wants basically to allow Quicken to
regularly perform One Step Updates for all her checking, saving, credit, and
investment accounts. She belongs to a credit union that provide free bill
paying too. OK, I've done that, but these accounts seem to be separate and
non-interactive. Thus a payment from checking to a credit card are not
really *linked*, just reported by their individual downloads. Thus no real
cross checking between accounts...???
What am I missing here?
Also it seems she will have to manually enter the categories for each
transactions, since it appears that Scheduled Transactions etc are not
relevant since her credit union does all her *paying*. Ideas please....
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Tom M
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Tom M
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:
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Thanks for the reply. I define interactive as when I *manually* make a
*checking* account payment to a *credit card account* it appears in
Quicken. thus the is reflected in both accounts, AND the mathematics assures
that the debit in one equals the credit in the other. It appears that in a
100% on-line update situation, there doesn't appear to be a computer
mathematical relationship between the two accounts. I apologize that I am
having difficulty in explaining this...
I can't deny that a hands-on (real effort) approach is better, but with her
commitment to her son and her job she is trying to minimize her prep time.
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Tom M
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| Quote: | Tom M wrote:
I've used quicken for years, but have had the time to manually enter all
transactions in my various interactive accounts.
Define "interactive accounts" (Don't cha just love the way people invent
their own terms?)
Now my working single mom daughter wants my help to set up Q05, but she
doesn't have the time I do. She wants basically to allow Quicken to
regularly perform One Step Updates for all her checking, saving, credit,
and
investment accounts. She belongs to a credit union that provide free bill
paying too. OK, I've done that, but these accounts seem to be separate
and non-interactive. Thus a payment from checking to a credit card are
not really *linked*, just reported by their individual downloads. Thus no
real cross checking between accounts...???
What's "cross checking between accounts" mean? Do you mean transfers?
What am I missing here?
Also it seems she will have to manually enter the categories for each
transactions, since it appears that Scheduled Transactions etc are not
relevant since her credit union does all her *paying*. Ideas please....
Although programs like Quicken can help people manage their finances,
there is no substitute for real effort. Not everything can be automated.
Your daughter need to learn that managing her finances takes involvement
from her (or hire somebody else to do it). This is symptomatic as you say
that the credit union does all her paying for her. What, might I ask, does
she do? Or does she just expect magic or others to do it for her?
BTW I would recommend not having a credit union that does all of your
paying for you. Instead bank with a bank that provide direct integration
within Quicken where the payments emanate from within Quicken by actions
by her. Then slowly automate by scheduling that which can be scheduled.
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Andrew DeFaria
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | I've used quicken for years, but have had the time to manually enter
all transactions in my various interactive accounts.
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Define "interactive accounts" (Don't cha just love the way people invent
their own terms?)
| Quote: | Now my working single mom daughter wants my help to set up Q05, but
she doesn't have the time I do. She wants basically to allow Quicken
to regularly perform One Step Updates for all her checking, saving,
credit, and
investment accounts. She belongs to a credit union that provide free
bill paying too. OK, I've done that, but these accounts seem to be
separate and non-interactive. Thus a payment from checking to a credit
card are not really *linked*, just reported by their individual
downloads. Thus no real cross checking between accounts...???
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What's "cross checking between accounts" mean? Do you mean transfers?
| Quote: | What am I missing here?
Also it seems she will have to manually enter the categories for each
transactions, since it appears that Scheduled Transactions etc are not
relevant since her credit union does all her *paying*. Ideas please....
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Although programs like Quicken can help people manage their finances,
there is no substitute for real effort. Not everything can be automated.
Your daughter need to learn that managing her finances takes involvement
from her (or hire somebody else to do it). This is symptomatic as you
say that the credit union does all her paying for her. What, might I
ask, does she do? Or does she just expect magic or others to do it for her?
BTW I would recommend not having a credit union that does all of your
paying for you. Instead bank with a bank that provide direct integration
within Quicken where the payments emanate from within Quicken by actions
by her. Then slowly automate by scheduling that which can be scheduled.
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Andrew DeFaria
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:00 am Post subject:
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the reply. I define interactive as when I *manually* make a
*checking* account payment to a *credit card account* it appears in
Quicken. thus the is reflected in both accounts, AND the mathematics
assures
that the debit in one equals the credit in the other. It appears that
in a 100% on-line update situation, there doesn't appear to be a
computer mathematical relationship between the two accounts. I
apologize that I am having difficulty in explaining this...
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That's called a transfer (how long have you been using Quicken anyway?).
Why would you call it anything else? That's what the Quicken online help
calls 'em. That's what the manual calls them. Even Edit: Go to matching
transfer is a clue.
Here's some things that I do. First off get a bank that knows how to
directly download to Quicken. Also, they should allow you to send online
payments - from Quicken itself! Next set up the appropriate credit card
accounts, loans, assets or whatever. Next generate payments from within
Quicken to pay your debts. Such payments are set up as an online check
that transfers to the credit card account. There! That's taken care of!
Make these payments scheduled payments. If the payment amount remains
the same (e.g. car payment, rent payment) then make it an online
repeating payment. Then you don't have to worry about those anymore.
When statements come in, balance them! Where you can also choose credit
card companies that also download directly into Quicken. This helps
during reconciliation time.
You can automate, to some extent, some of Quicken's transactions.
However you do need to set it up and there is occasional care and feeding.
I have some 60-80 active accounts. I balance every one of them to the
penny - always! I have about 7-9 of them as online accounts. I schedule
whatever payments I can. I have online repeating payments where I can. I
schedule downloads for my online accounts 5 days a week (Mon-Fri @ 5
Pm). I find that the amount of time I spend on average per day on doing
Quicken is less than 5 minutes. I bet your daughter spends way more than
5 minutes putting on her make up!
| Quote: | I can't deny that a hands-on (real effort) approach is better, but
with her commitment to her son and her job she is trying to minimize
her prep time.
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I know you love your daughter and wish the best for her etc., etc. Hey I
have a daughter too. However this is life pal! The rest of us face the
same sorts of issues of work, family, financial life and other
commitments. And, I'd argue that a commitment to the grooming, care and
feeding of her... finances will do wonders for her kid, let along
someday teach them the importance of such things. (BTW: Where's the dad
of that kid?)
Look we all have hardships, but Quicken can make things a bit easier.
Yes some initial investment in sweat is required and yes you should try
to automate things where possible, but you (your daughter) gotta put in
some effort!
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John Pollard
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:53 am Post subject:
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | I've used quicken for years, but have had the time to manually
enter
all transactions in my various interactive accounts.
Now my working single mom daughter wants my help to set up
Q05, but
she doesn't have the time I do. She wants basically to allow
Quicken
to regularly perform One Step Updates for all her checking,
saving,
credit, and investment accounts. She belongs to a credit
union that
provide free bill paying too. OK, I've done that, but these
accounts
seem to be separate and non-interactive. Thus a payment from
checking to a credit card are not really *linked*, just
reported by
their individual downloads. Thus no real cross checking
between
accounts...??? What am I missing here?
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There is really no way for the financial institutions to know
that you have both the credit card account and the checking
account in Quicken ... and what specific accounts they are.
Even if the accounts are at the same financial institution,
there is no mechanism, at present, for the financial
institution(s) to download what is, in effect, a transfer.
Many users enter the transfer payment in their Quicken register
before they accept the downloaded transaction(s). Doing so
insures that both halves of the transfer are already in your
Quicken registers, so the downloaded transactions will "match"
existing Quicken transactions and not create new Quicken
transactions. You can enter the transactions ahead of time
manually, or have them entered using Quicken scheduled
transactions.
But if you have not already entered the transfer transaction
into Quicken before the download, then when you receive the
first half of the transfer (probably the credit card
transaction) and you accept it into your register, change the
category to be the name of the other account in square brackets,
as in [Checking Account] (if the transaction is in the credit
card account). When you later accept the downloaded checking
account transaction, it will match the transaction already in
your checking account ... created by you making the credit card
transaction a "transfer" to checking.
| Quote: | Also it seems she will have to manually enter the categories
for each
transactions, since it appears that Scheduled Transactions etc
are not
relevant since her credit union does all her *paying*. Ideas
please....
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It doesn't matter where the payment originates, you can have
Quicken help you by filling in the category; it's called
QuickFill. You "memorize" payees; then when you enter, or
accept, transactions for that payee, Quicken will fill in the
category (and memo and amount, if you specify) for you. You
need a memorized payee (transaction) and you need QuickFill
turned on. Turn on QuickFill in
Edit > Preferences > Quicken Program > QuickFill
Check the boxes "Complete fields ..." and "Recall memorized
payees ...".
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Tom M
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:
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Andrew & John,
Thanks to both of you for your thoughts. This old geezer switched from
Managing Your Money in 1999 to Quicken. Back then, the online portion was,
as I recall, minuscule, and had lots of problems, so I learned to do
everything manually and never changed. I have multiples of each type of
accounts; investment, checking, credit, cash and loan accounts and am sorry
about the 'senior' moment and not using the correct *transfer* terminology.
I understand and use the brackets in the Categories for the transfers etc.
So where this has evolved, is that for daughters benefit, I have to climb
the learning curve for online use, which I have never done. Downloaded the
Users Manual today and reading up. Her credit union (CU) does have
downloading capability for Quicken and I have set that up. I have also
successfully tested my Q05 and was able to make an online transfer between
her checking and saving at that credit union. Now trying to see if her CU
will accept online payments to third parties and how to set that up. A call
to the CU did not get me a firm answer so I emailed their technical
department. 'Used to be that you needed a bunch of routing numbers etc, but
I know I'm behind the times, so I'm not sure how this is set up. I'm also a
bit nervous messing around with her account. The nice thing about her CU is
that all is free ;-)
A strange thing I haven't figured out yet, is that I downloaded her separate
Discover Card account into Q05 and I don't see any interest charges
anywhere. The exact amount of her checking payment is the exact amount that
is credited by Discover...???
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Tom M
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"John Pollard" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Tom M wrote:
I've used quicken for years, but have had the time to manually
enter
all transactions in my various interactive accounts.
Now my working single mom daughter wants my help to set up
Q05, but
she doesn't have the time I do. She wants basically to allow
Quicken
to regularly perform One Step Updates for all her checking,
saving,
credit, and investment accounts. She belongs to a credit
union that
provide free bill paying too. OK, I've done that, but these
accounts
seem to be separate and non-interactive. Thus a payment from
checking to a credit card are not really *linked*, just
reported by
their individual downloads. Thus no real cross checking
between
accounts...??? What am I missing here?
There is really no way for the financial institutions to know
that you have both the credit card account and the checking
account in Quicken ... and what specific accounts they are.
Even if the accounts are at the same financial institution,
there is no mechanism, at present, for the financial
institution(s) to download what is, in effect, a transfer.
Many users enter the transfer payment in their Quicken register
before they accept the downloaded transaction(s). Doing so
insures that both halves of the transfer are already in your
Quicken registers, so the downloaded transactions will "match"
existing Quicken transactions and not create new Quicken
transactions. You can enter the transactions ahead of time
manually, or have them entered using Quicken scheduled
transactions.
But if you have not already entered the transfer transaction
into Quicken before the download, then when you receive the
first half of the transfer (probably the credit card
transaction) and you accept it into your register, change the
category to be the name of the other account in square brackets,
as in [Checking Account] (if the transaction is in the credit
card account). When you later accept the downloaded checking
account transaction, it will match the transaction already in
your checking account ... created by you making the credit card
transaction a "transfer" to checking.
Also it seems she will have to manually enter the categories
for each
transactions, since it appears that Scheduled Transactions etc
are not
relevant since her credit union does all her *paying*. Ideas
please....
It doesn't matter where the payment originates, you can have
Quicken help you by filling in the category; it's called
QuickFill. You "memorize" payees; then when you enter, or
accept, transactions for that payee, Quicken will fill in the
category (and memo and amount, if you specify) for you. You
need a memorized payee (transaction) and you need QuickFill
turned on. Turn on QuickFill in
Edit > Preferences > Quicken Program > QuickFill
Check the boxes "Complete fields ..." and "Recall memorized
payees ...".
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John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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John Pollard
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | Andrew & John,
Thanks to both of you for your thoughts. This old geezer
switched
from Managing Your Money in 1999 to Quicken. Back then, the
online
portion was, as I recall, minuscule, and had lots of problems,
so I
learned to do everything manually and never changed. I have
multiples of each type of accounts; investment, checking,
credit,
cash and loan accounts and am sorry about the 'senior' moment
and not
using the correct *transfer* terminology. I understand and use
the
brackets in the Categories for the transfers etc.
So where this has evolved, is that for daughters benefit, I
have to
climb the learning curve for online use, which I have never
done.
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This will keep those aging neurons firing, not good to let them
get old, lazy and out of shape. :)
| Quote: | Downloaded the Users Manual today and reading up. Her credit
union
(CU) does have downloading capability for Quicken and I have
set that
up. I have also successfully tested my Q05 and was able to
make an
online transfer between her checking and saving at that credit
union.
Now trying to see if her CU will accept online payments to
third
parties and how to set that up. A call to the CU did not get
me a
firm answer so I emailed their technical department. 'Used to
be
that you needed a bunch of routing numbers etc, but I know I'm
behind
the times, so I'm not sure how this is set up. I'm also a bit
nervous
messing around with her account. The nice thing about her CU
is that
all is free ;-)
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There are two basic "providers" of billpay that are able to
interact with Quicken; your financial institution, and Quicken
Billpay.
If your financial institution offers billpay (seems to me most
do), there are two ways to use it: at the fi's web site (always
available) or by transmitting instructions from Quicken (which
is not Quicken Billpay). Some fi's do not accept billpay
instructions from Quicken, they require you to initiate billpay
from their web site.
Both the providers may be available in Quicken, but you can only
use one in Quicken. If you can transmit billpay instructions
from Quicken to your fi, I think you should see an Account
Attribute named "Online Payment through My Financial
Institution". Beneath that (or standalone, if billpay not
available via Quicken to fi), you should see "Quicken Bill Pay"
(for which you have to pay), if available.
| Quote: | A strange thing I haven't figured out yet, is that I
downloaded her
separate Discover Card account into Q05 and I don't see any
interest
charges anywhere. The exact amount of her checking payment is
the
exact amount that is credited by Discover...???
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Discover doesn't download interest charge transactions. True
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Tom M
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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Did an online check using Q05: Online; Participating Financial Institutions.
Daughters CU shows *supported services* as *banking account access* and
*credit/charge card access* but conspicuously missing is *payments*
Ouch. She struggling to get by as it is, I hate to add extra cost of using
Quicken billpay. BTW, how does Quicken billpay get access to your checking
account funds? Do you set up an authorization for Q to debit the checking?
On the credit card interest charges not being downloaded, how do most online
advocates find and enter the interest?
Thanks
--
Tom M
(To reply, remove *deletenospam* from my address)
| Quote: | Now trying to see if her CU will accept online payments to third
There are two basic "providers" of billpay that are able to interact with
Quicken; your financial institution, and Quicken Billpay.
If your financial institution offers billpay (seems to me most do), there
are two ways to use it: at the fi's web site (always available) or by
transmitting instructions from Quicken (which is not Quicken Billpay).
Some fi's do not accept billpay instructions from Quicken, they require
you to initiate billpay from their web site.
Both the providers may be available in Quicken, but you can only use one
in Quicken. If you can transmit billpay instructions from Quicken to your
fi, I think you should see an Account Attribute named "Online Payment
through My Financial Institution". Beneath that (or standalone, if
billpay not available via Quicken to fi), you should see "Quicken Bill
Pay" (for which you have to pay), if available.
A strange thing I haven't figured out yet, is that I downloaded her
separate Discover Card account into Q05 and I don't see any interest
charges anywhere. The exact amount of her checking payment is the
exact amount that is credited by Discover...???
Discover doesn't download interest charge transactions. True for, at
least some, other credit cards as well.
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John Pollard
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | Did an online check using Q05: Online; Participating Financial
Institutions. Daughters CU shows *supported services* as
*banking
account access* and *credit/charge card access* but
conspicuously missing is *payments*
Ouch.
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I think that only means you can not send the billpay
instructions from Quicken. I have at least one fi who offers
billpay but not via Quicken and their Participating Online
Financial Institution page does not list "payments" either.
You may still be able to do the payments from the fi's web site.
| Quote: | She struggling to get by as it is, I hate to add extra cost of
using Quicken billpay. BTW, how does Quicken billpay get
access to
your checking account funds? Do you set up an authorization
for Q to
debit the checking?
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I have never used Quicken Billpay, but my guess is that you are
right. I suspect you have already looked at Intuit's product
web site
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y21625A1C
Others here who use Quicken Billpay can also help you with that
info.
| Quote: | On the credit card interest charges not being downloaded, how
do most
online advocates find and enter the interest?
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Pay in full each month? :)
I am usually holding my credit card statement when I do my
reconciliation and that is when I enter the interest, (which I
try to never have). I could get the data earlier from the cc
web site, but usually do not need it that quickly.
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Tom M
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:
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Yea, me too, but this is a new generation for the kids. I guess that she
has involved me into helping her get set up with quicken to help her get a
decent budget and try to get financial control of her life. Maybe then she
can work on getting rid of the nasty interest charges on these cards.
Biggest problem is that she and her 4 year old son live near Washington, DC
and I am 2-1/2 hours away near Harrisburg, PA. It sure will be tough to
teach her Quicken when I get more up to speed. Besides, at years end, I
will hop into my RV and head for Florida to keep warm.
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Tom M
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| Quote: | On the credit card interest charges not being downloaded, how do most
online advocates find and enter the interest?
Pay in full each month? :) |
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Tom M
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She can do payments on the fib's site now. In fact they have their own
Bill, that can be used for regular or irregular payments, again for no
charge. But that's a bit of a pain to have to manage that separately from
Quicken. I was hoping to consolidate it all in A.
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Tom M
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| Quote: | Tom M wrote:
Did an online check using Q05: Online; Participating Financial
Institutions. Daughters CU shows *supported services* as *banking
account access* and *credit/charge card access* but conspicuously missing
is *payments*
Ouch.
I think that only means you can not send the billpay instructions from
Quicken. I have at least one fi who offers billpay but not via Quicken
and their Participating Online Financial Institution page does not list
"payments" either.
You may still be able to do the payments from the fi's web site.
John Pollard
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John Pollard
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | She can do payments on the fib's site now. In fact they have
their
own Bill, that can be used for regular or irregular payments,
again
for no charge. But that's a bit of a pain to have to manage
that
separately from Quicken. I was hoping to consolidate it all in
A.
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Understood. This should only matter for non-recurring payments,
as recurring payments can be handled with one session at the
web-site and scheduled transactions in Quicken.
One thing to look for is an e-bill/e-pay (billpay) capability.
If your fi offers that (it is rare I think, and there are not
enough billers signed up, but that is another story); you can,
for instance, authorize the fi to pay, via EFT, bills like
utilities which are regular in frequency but unequal in amount.
The fi presents you with a notification from the biller of the
amount each month and if you have no objection, you need do
nothing and the bill gets paid automatically. If you dispute,
the bill is not paid. The nice thing is that you do not have to
go to the fi's web site (except to establish a relationship with
the biller) and Quicken is not needed.
And if you can't get the e-bill/e-pay, you can still have many
companies (electric, phone, cable, etc.) take their payments
from your account automatically each month via EFT; all you do
is setup a scheduled payment in Quicken to "remind" you and when
the actual payment is downloaded, modify the "reminder", enter
it into your register, and "Accept" the downloaded "match"ing
transaction. (You still get billed the same way you always did,
you just do not have to write a check; they take the money
automatically on/after the date they state on your bill).
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John Pollard
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | Besides, at years end, I will hop into my RV and head for
Florida to keep warm.
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It's about 80 in Pensacola today; I haven't had to put on long
pants since last winter.
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Tom M
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This credit union of hers is more remarkable the more I study it. Their
Billpayer will send electronic payments or mail (USPS) a check-free, up to
80/month. Each billpay can be set for fixed or adjustable amounts,
different intervals, or On demand.
I have utilities automatically debited from my account, so I suppose her CU
can too. This type of stuff is what lets me travel the country and not have
too many bills to worry about. But the more I see about her CU, I may join
for there are some benefits that I might be able to integrate into my
systems.
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Tom M
(To reply, remove *deletenospam* from my address)
| Quote: | One thing to look for is an e-bill/e-pay (billpay) capability. If your fi
offers that (it is rare I think, and there are not enough billers signed
up, but that is another story); you can, for instance, authorize the fi to
pay, via EFT, bills like utilities which are regular in frequency but
unequal in amount. The fi presents you with a notification from the biller
of the amount each month and if you have no objection, you need do nothing
and the bill gets paid automatically. If you dispute,
the bill is not paid. The nice thing is that you do not have to go to the
fi's web site (except to establish a relationship with the biller) and
Quicken is not needed.
And if you can't get the e-bill/e-pay, you can still have many companies
(electric, phone, cable, etc.) take their payments from your account
automatically each month via EFT; all you do is setup a scheduled payment
in Quicken to "remind" you and when the actual payment is downloaded,
modify the "reminder", enter it into your register, and "Accept" the
downloaded "match"ing transaction. (You still get billed the same way you
always did, you just do not have to write a check; they take the money
automatically on/after the date they state on your bill).
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John Pollard
First initial underscore Last name at mchsi dot com
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Andrew
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:
Re: Q05 Setup for Daughter? |
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Tom M wrote:
| Quote: | This credit union of hers is more remarkable the more I study it. ...
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As I've said in this NG ad nauseum, I don't understand why ANYONE has bank
accounts for personal use at anything other than a community-based Credit
Union.
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