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Arthur
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 7:52 am Post subject:
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dollar for dollar, a laptop will never compete with a desktop.
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:52:02 -0700, millstox wrote:
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Their laptops eat shit. I wouldn't touch their stock with a 10-foot
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The Michael
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:11 am Post subject:
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On Tue 08 Nov 2005 11:21:57p, billb wrote in news:73142$4371877f$42f83951
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| Quote: | I HATE laptops. Screen is too small as is the keyboard.
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I am trying to join the revolution (wireless) and and my desktop is just
too bulky and I really hate wheeling it around, so am considering the
laptop for myself (my wife's laptop is just too hard to share).
I know what you mean about the keyboard & monitor. As millstox says, there
are workarounds & I like my wireless keyboard alot.
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Arthur
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:00 am Post subject:
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There are cube systems about 1/4 the size of a small desktop. They
are built using small form system boards. No need for a diskette
drive so 2 3.5in. hdd/cd slots does the job. Lightweight LCD monitor
and you have a lug-able solution. Look in Computer Shopper magazine.
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:11:36 GMT, The Michael wrote:
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I am trying to join the revolution (wireless) and and my desktop is just
too bulky and I really hate wheeling it around, so am considering the
laptop for myself (my wife's laptop is just too hard to share).
I know what you mean about the keyboard & monitor. As millstox says, there
are workarounds & I like my wireless keyboard alot. |
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Dave Stone
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:00 am Post subject:
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The Michael <MikeL@ibehere.not> wrote in
news:Xns9708B62C1C003rdpleitduina@207.115.63.158:
| Quote: | I've heard some people talk highly of their Dell laptops and recommend
them to others. I am thinking I might get a Dell laptop myself (dude)
and use my old desktop mainly for file backups.
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I have an Inspiron 6000 and it's alright for what I paid for it (about a
grand with 2 year breakage warranty). A couple things...the smaller Dell
laptops that weigh 5 pounds or less are overpriced and flakey as hell.
The larger one, 9300, is a desktop replacement and is on the heavy side.
It's the system they market towards the game players and power users.
Anyway, if you get the Dell 6000 or 9300, get either the WSXGA or WUXGA
screen or you're wasting $$.
Things to watch out for on newer Dell's are hardware gremlins that they
refuse to acknowledge. Read some of these complaints:
http://www.google.com/search?q=dell+GX270+recall
The IBM (now Lenovo) Thinkpad T43 is a great, compact laptop and weighs
right around 5 pounds. They are made in China but I've setup about a
hundred of them and the build quality is excellent. Lenovo is planning to
agressively market the brand and is selling the T43 in Office Depot
stores as of last week. I'd get a look at in person, pictures won't help
you get an idea of how nice it really is. |
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Dave Stone
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:00 am Post subject:
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millstox <nomail@noplace.nowhere> wrote in
news:66n3n15lt4h5fldmhellj7gqa5kfnfq9lr@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Don S <suterdfNoSpam@NoSpamverizon.net> wrote:
Cyde Weys wrote:
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Yes, and 640K is enough for anyone. *rollseyes*
It sounds silly today. Decades of Microsoft's "good enough software"
has bloated our hard-drives. I once wrote a complete word processor
in 16k. The first real job I had in the software biz was writing some
components for a realtime operating system that ran on a system with a
256k hard drive. What can really be done with 640k? A lot, if the
time and effort is spent to do it. Life goes on, empires are built,
the lowest common denominator eventually rises with technology.
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Nice transition there, LOL. |
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billb
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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.. Life goes on, empires are built,
| Quote: | the lowest common denominator eventually rises with technology.
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well, when CPU's got faster and memory got cheaper, the tendency to
be lazy as a programmer increased even faster than the above.
the result is that today's PC's while theoretically running about
4000 times as fast as those sold in 1985, to the user there isn't
that much of a difference.
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billb
Do not squander time, that is the stuff life is made of.
The war is over, don't ask for credit.
<n> wrote in message news:11n5mbo5u629ofb@corp.supernews.com...
| Quote: | millstox <nomail@noplace.nowhere> wrote in
news:66n3n15lt4h5fldmhellj7gqa5kfnfq9lr@4ax.com:
Don S <suterdfNoSpam@NoSpamverizon.net> wrote:
Cyde Weys wrote:
snip
Yes, and 640K is enough for anyone. *rollseyes*
It sounds silly today. Decades of Microsoft's "good enough
software"
has bloated our hard-drives. I once wrote a complete word
processor
in 16k. The first real job I had in the software biz was writing
some
components for a realtime operating system that ran on a system
with a
256k hard drive. What can really be done with 640k? A lot, if
the
time and effort is spent to do it> Nice transition there, LOL. |
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
Re: what do u guys think of dell? |
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"Hugh Candlin" <No@Spam.Com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Sean" <shahint_NOSPM_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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any ideas?
Most consumers already have 2 to 10 times
the computing power that they need now
or in the forseeable future.
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What?!!!
Son just bought a 64 bit Athlon 3200 with one gig RAM and a pig of a GPU for
his paper money - that thing only runs Half-Life and Rome Total War
adequately up to about 1280 x 2048 ... we want more.
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Business users who just need to surf the web
and run Office applications are even better off,
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"Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
- Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet)"
Microsoft will come up with a new OS - "vista" - that will make your
computer suck
| Quote: | Laptops are providing a brief last gasp income stream,
but that will slow down also in the near future.
Dell's growth is behind them
as the company is currently constituted.
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.... but you are probably correct.
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Microsoft is similarly stagnant, and has been for years.
Until and unless management takes their head out of the sand
and puts their thinking caps on, the stocks have nowhere to go.
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Is that a problem, remember they are adequately funded already so why would
they care ??
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Except down..........
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The Michael
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
Re: what do u guys think of dell? |
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On Thu 10 Nov 2005 12:07:25a, Dave Stone wrote in
news:11n5ostd44f550@corp.supernews.com:
Thanks for the info and URL. Interesting reading. Maybe I'll just stick
with the desktop for a while longer. |
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Hugh Candlin
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:
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"Frithiof Andreas Jensen" <frithiof.jensen@die_spammer_die.ericsson.com>
wrote in message news:dkvhlr$ar9$1@news.al.sw.ericsson.se...
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"Hugh Candlin" <No@Spam.Com> wrote in message
news:hi6cf.34824$qk4.34551@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
"Sean" <shahint_NOSPM_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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any ideas?
Most consumers already have 2 to 10 times
the computing power that they need now
or in the forseeable future.
What?!!!
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What I said.
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Son just bought a 64 bit Athlon 3200 with one gig RAM and a pig of a GPU
for
his paper money - that thing only runs Half-Life and Rome Total War
adequately up to about 1280 x 2048 ... we want more.
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As in, a better GPU?
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Business users who just need to surf the web
and run Office applications are even better off,
"Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
- Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet)"
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There is a great deal of truth in that>
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Microsoft will come up with a new OS - "vista" - that will make your
computer suck
Vista is a stripped-down irrelevant waste of time and money. [!!!]
Laptops are providing a brief last gasp income stream,
but that will slow down also in the near future.
Dell's growth is behind them
as the company is currently constituted.
... but you are probably correct.
Microsoft is similarly stagnant, and has been for years.
Until and unless management takes their head out of the sand
and puts their thinking caps on, the stocks have nowhere to go.
Is that a problem, remember they are adequately funded already so why
would
they care ??
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They don't. That is the problem. MS looks around,
sees what the movers and shakers are doing,
and tries to figure out a way to buy or "borrow" the technology.
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Except down.......... |
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
Re: what do u guys think of dell? |
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"Hugh Candlin" <No@Spam.Com> wrote in message
news:9zMcf.41806$qk4.32312@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
| Quote: | As in, a better GPU?
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More like total immersion ;-)
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Business users who just need to surf the web
and run Office applications are even better off,
"Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
- Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet)"
There is a great deal of truth in that
Microsoft will come up with a new OS - "vista" - that will make your
computer suck
Vista is a stripped-down irrelevant waste of time and money. [!!!]
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Yet it will sell to the masses, it will soak up all the performance of
todays computers and it will allow about the same amount of actual work to
be carried out as all the other computers did.
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Laptops are providing a brief last gasp income stream,
but that will slow down also in the near future.
Dell's growth is behind them
as the company is currently constituted.
... but you are probably correct.
Microsoft is similarly stagnant, and has been for years.
Until and unless management takes their head out of the sand
and puts their thinking caps on, the stocks have nowhere to go.
Is that a problem, remember they are adequately funded already so why
would
they care ??
They don't. That is the problem. MS looks around,
sees what the movers and shakers are doing,
and tries to figure out a way to buy or "borrow" the technology.
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What I meant was:
Bill Gates and Michael Dell have the majority of their money tucked away;
enough for generations. They do not need more. It is a game for them. If the
stock tanks, their only (minor) problem is whether they were able to unload
it and if the SEC take offense.
Management does not have to think or do; It is the stockholders problem to
worry about what happens to the business.
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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"Arthur" <nobody.lives.here@xoxy.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | dollar for dollar, a laptop will never compete with a desktop.
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Is that "never within the time available before the end of the universe" or
not within the next two years (which is never to a trader).
One can, in the shops right now, buy a USD 150 portable DVD player.
That thing, while lacking a keybord, already have *plenty* of MIPS for
whatever "office" tasks one does. My mobile has more MIPS, more memory and
more colours than my 286 PC that I paid USD 2000 for. I did work on that.
Millions of people did.
Most of the compexity and expense comes from PeeCee dogma where everything
should be "upgradable" e.t.c.
If one dispense with "upgrades" - that no non-nerd type does anyway - solder
everything in and/or stick it in a few chips to get the cost so low that we
throw away the thing when the software no longer fits or the battery does
not work anymore.
One could imagine a "work only" laptop computer retailing for about USD 100.
When the market matures and people buy computers according to their real
needs and not the needs of Dell, Microsoft, AMD e.t.c. then it will happen.
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:52:02 -0700, millstox wrote:
Their laptops eat shit. I wouldn't touch their stock with a 10-foot
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