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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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Islamic Detroit is watching what their muslim brothers are doing to the
French, will we see Detroit up in flames soon?
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:00 pm Post subject:
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WHY PARIS IS BURNING
By AMIR TAHERI Fri Nov 4, 6:00 AM ET
AS THE night falls, the "troubles" start — and the pattern is always
the same.
Bands of youths in balaclavas start by setting fire to parked cars,
break shop windows with baseball bats, wreck public telephones and
ransack cinemas, libraries and schools. When the police arrive on the
scene, the rioters attack them with stones, knives and baseball bats.
The police respond by firing tear-gas grenades and, on occasions, blank
shots in the air. Sometimes the youths fire back — with real bullets.
These scenes are not from the
West Bank but from 20 French cities, mostly close to Paris, that have
been plunged into a European version of the intifada that at the time
of writing appears beyond control.
The troubles first began in Clichy-sous-Bois, an underprivileged suburb
east of Paris, a week ago. France's bombastic interior minister,
Nicholas Sarkozy, responded by sending over 400 heavily armed policemen
to "impose the laws of the republic," and promised to crush "the louts
and hooligans" within the day. Within a few days, however, it had
dawned on anyone who wanted to know that this was no "outburst by
criminal elements" that could be handled with a mixture of braggadocio
and batons.
By Monday, everyone in Paris was speaking of "an unprecedented crisis."
Both Sarkozy and his boss, Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, had to
cancel foreign trips to deal with the riots.
How did it all start? The accepted account is that sometime last week,
a group of young boys in Clichy engaged in one of their favorite
sports: stealing parts of parked cars.
Normally, nothing dramatic would have happened, as the police have not
been present in that suburb for years.
The problem came when one of the inhabitants, a female busybody,
telephoned the police and reported the thieving spree taking place just
opposite her building. The police were thus obliged to do something —
which meant entering a city that, as noted, had been a no-go area for
them.
Once the police arrived on the scene, the youths — who had been
reigning over Clichy pretty unmolested for years — got really angry. A
brief chase took place in the street, and two of the youths, who were
not actually chased by the police, sought refuge in a cordoned-off area
housing a power pylon. Both were electrocuted.
Once news of their deaths was out, Clichy was all up in arms.
With cries of "God is great," bands of youths armed with whatever they
could get hold of went on a rampage and forced the police to flee.
The French authorities could not allow a band of youths to expel the
police from French territory. So they hit back — sending in Special
Forces, known as the CRS, with armored cars and tough rules of
engagement.
Within hours, the original cause of the incidents was forgotten and the
issue jelled around a demand by the representatives of the rioters that
the French police leave the "occupied territories." By midweek, the
riots had spread to three of the provinces neighboring Paris, with a
population of 5.5 million.
But who lives in the affected areas? In Clichy itself, more than 80
percent of the inhabitants are Muslim immigrants or their children,
mostly from Arab and black Africa. In other affected towns, the Muslim
immigrant community accounts for 30 percent to 60 percent of the
population. But these are not the only figures that matter. Average
unemployment in the affected areas is estimated at around 30 percent
and, when it comes to young would-be workers, reaches 60 percent.
In these suburban towns, built in the 1950s in imitation of the Soviet
social housing of the Stalinist era, people live in crammed conditions,
sometimes several generations in a tiny apartment, and see "real French
life" only on television.
The French used to flatter themselves for the success of their policy
of assimilation, which was supposed to turn immigrants from any
background into "proper Frenchmen" within a generation at most.
That policy worked as long as immigrants came to France in drips and
drops and thus could merge into a much larger mainstream. Assimilation,
however, cannot work when in most schools in the affected areas, fewer
than 20 percent of the pupils are native French speakers.
France has also lost another powerful mechanism for assimilation: the
obligatory military service abolished in the 1990s.
As the number of immigrants and their descendants increases in a
particular locality, more and more of its native French inhabitants
leave for "calmer places," thus making assimilation still more
difficult.
In some areas, it is possible for an immigrant or his descendants to
spend a whole life without ever encountering the need to speak French,
let alone familiarize himself with any aspect of the famous French
culture.
The result is often alienation. And that, in turn, gives radical
Islamists an opportunity to propagate their message of religious and
cultural apartheid.
Some are even calling for the areas where Muslims form a majority of
the population to be reorganized on the basis of the "millet" system of
the Ottoman Empire: Each religious community (millet) would enjoy the
right to organize its social, cultural and educational life in
accordance with its religious beliefs.
In parts of France, a de facto millet system is already in place. In
these areas, all women are obliged to wear the standardized Islamist
"hijab" while most men grow their beards to the length prescribed by
the sheiks.
The radicals have managed to chase away French shopkeepers selling
alcohol and pork products, forced "places of sin," such as dancing
halls, cinemas and theaters, to close down, and seized control of much
of the local administration.
A reporter who spent last weekend in Clichy and its neighboring towns
of Bondy, Aulnay-sous-Bois and Bobigny heard a single overarching
message: The French authorities should keep out.
"All we demand is to be left alone," said Mouloud Dahmani, one of the
local "emirs" engaged in negotiations to persuade the French to
withdraw the police and allow a committee of sheiks, mostly from the
Muslim Brotherhood, to negotiate an end to the hostilities.
President Jacques Chirac and Premier de Villepin are especially sore
because they had believed that their opposition to the toppling of
Saddam Hussein in 2003 would give France a heroic image in the Muslim
community.
That illusion has now been shattered — and the Chirac administration,
already passing through a deepening political crisis, appears to be
clueless about how to cope with what the Parisian daily France Soir has
called a "ticking time bomb."
It is now clear that a good portion of France's Muslims not only refuse
to assimilate into "the superior French culture," but firmly believe
that Islam offers the highest forms of life to which all mankind should
aspire.
So what is the solution? One solution, offered by Gilles Kepel, an
adviser to Chirac on Islamic affairs, is the creation of "a new
Andalusia" in which Christians and Muslims would live side by side and
cooperate to create a new cultural synthesis.
The problem with Kepel's vision, however, is that it does not address
the important issue of political power. Who will rule this new
Andalusia: Muslims or the largely secularist Frenchmen?
Suddenly, French politics has become worth watching again, even though
for the wrong reasons.
Amir Taheri, editor of the French quarterly "Politique internationale,"
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In an analysis of the bombings in London , published on the evening of
July 7 in a Jihadi web site by one of the leading Saudi supporters of
Al-Qaeda, the effect of the bombings was anticipated to be in the
medium and long run, not the short one. 3 The analyst, is a man calling
himself “Barbarosa,”—probably Abu Abd al-Aziz, a Saudi who commanded
the brigades of the Arab Jihadi volunteers in Bosnia and returned to
Saudi Arabia in the mid-1990s. In the article, “Barbarosa” reveals an
important target of the global strategy of Al-Qaeda, namely the attempt
to widen the gap between the United States and its European allies,
with the aim of isolating the U.S. administration in the war against
global terror. The London attacks were meant to bring the issue of the
war in Iraq once again to the core of the public debate, even though
the elections in the UK were over. The attacks were also designed to
shake a situation in the European unity that has become increasingly
fragile in recent months, in particular following the referendum on the
European constitution in France , which rejected the planed charter.
Finally, the attacks were timed to occur in the midst of the meeting of
the leaders of the G-8 in the UK itself. Above all, the bombings came
to remind the Arab Muslim world, not only the West, that global Jihad
has a long-range strategy, where its leaders choose the targets and the
timing, according to a clear strategy.
http://www.intelligence.org.il/eng/sib/7_05/london.htm
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Police Find Fuel Bomb Factory Near Paris
AP - 11 minutes ago
PARIS - Worsening urban unrest reached central Paris for the first time
early Sunday and youths set ablaze shops, businesses, schools and
nearly 1,300 cars from France's Mediterranean resort towns to the
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France could be screwed (to put it bluntly). They've been complacent,
not recognized the threat, and now their feeling the consequences.
Terrorists have no honor, so being aligned with drug traffickers isn't
a surprise. With Islam being the second largest religion, five million
Muslims (estimate) 35% Algerian origin (estimate) 25% Moroccan origin
(estimate) 10% Tunisian origin (estimate) Concentrated in poor suburbs
of Paris, Lille, Lyon, Marseille and other cities.
How long before they call for France to surrender to Islam, and
become a theocracy? Then, how long before they ask America and Britain
for help? And we'll have to give it to'em. Why? France is in the
Nuclear Club (along with other weapons that are quite nasty). A coup,
political change to Islam as a ruling party, or radicals being elected
to government positions, any of the such would be bad (to say the
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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it is really getting bad. i heard on cbs-drudge report, it was the
worst yet tonite as the moslems have began shooting the french police.
an old woman burned on a bus. an old man beaten into a coma. dam, give
the shoot to kill order. what is the dam problem over there ?
oh well, looks like the frech "appeasment policy" did not
work......again. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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nope. we will give the "shoot to kill" order if they try it. they won't
get far.
"Smoking is a sign of personal independence and MUST be stopped !!!"
qoute from leaders of the united nations. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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it is really getting bad. i heard on cbs it was the worst yet tonite as
the moslems have began shooting the french police. dam, give the shoot
to kill order. what is the dam problem over there ?
oh well, looks like the frech "appeasment policy" did not
work......again. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:01 am Post subject:
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and when the left wingers cry ;
'bush lied , bush lied ,wah wah,there is no threat" tell them to go to
hell.
"Smoking is a sign of personal independence and MUST be stopped !!!"
qoute from leaders of the united nations. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject:
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<comics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16567-436ED3F1-404@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net...
| Quote: | nope. we will give the "shoot to kill" order if they try it. they won't
get far.
That would be a dangerous political statment. Remember the riots inWatts |
where the
neighborhoods went up in flames. There wasnt enough military or police to
shoot all
the protestors.
You may remember, if you have read history at all, that the Tsar of Russia
gave the shoot to
kill order at a demonstration prior to the revolution.
The people were desperately poor and the Tsar was sending them to the
eastern front to fight
wars that he personally wanted to fight. It was his right to do so, as
kings and tsars believed
that they had the divine right, and the love of the people.
This sparked the revolution that swept a country bigger than the USA and
drove the system
to communism which would last for nearly a century. Actually, in many ways,
the people
prospered under communism, in comparison to the way they had lived before.
If you kept
your mouth shut and worked, you would have a place to live, food, medical
care, etc.
Would the American people ever rise up like this? I doubt it seriously.
When we are so
apathetic that we will not even go to the polls to vote, it is unlikely that
the majority will
voice needs and wants. |
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"Rick" <spam1@atlanticbb.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Islamic Detroit is watching what their muslim brothers are doing to the
French, will we see Detroit up in flames soon?
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We saw it in California already. And it wasnt Muslims that did it. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:34 pm Post subject:
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I have one word for islamo nazis: we will defeat you once again!!!
<comics@webtv.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | nope. we will give the "shoot to kill" order if they try it. they won't
get far.
"Smoking is a sign of personal independence and MUST be stopped !!!"
qoute from leaders of the united nations.
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