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Gregory L. Hansen
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Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:43 pm Post subject:
Business Calculators |
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I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a business
calculator?
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"Will we be suturing the anus?"
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Marlowe
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Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:23 am Post subject:
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I like the BA II Plus for ease of use, but I cannot judge it versus with the
others.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgmtbh$3r0$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
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I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a business
calculator?
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"Will we be suturing the anus?" |
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Steven L.
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
| Quote: | I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a business
calculator?
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Unless the portability of having a calculator in your pocket appeals to
you, you can do virtually everything on your Excel spreadsheet on your
laptop, much better than with any calculator. Your Excel spreadsheet
*is* a calculator.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
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Gregory L. Hansen
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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In article <JoKXe.565$0m6.452@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Marlowe <MarlowedcNYET@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I like the BA II Plus for ease of use, but I cannot judge it versus with the
others.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgmtbh$3r0$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a business
calculator?
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The BA series got a lot of unfavorable remarks versus the HPs on Amazon.
But I suppose if they're commonly used, they can't be horrible.
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"No one need be surprised that the subject of contagion was not clear to
our ancestors."-- Heironymus Fracastorius, 1546 |
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Gregory L. Hansen
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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In article <n5mYe.1487$zQ3.662@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Steven L. <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a business
calculator?
Unless the portability of having a calculator in your pocket appeals to
you, you can do virtually everything on your Excel spreadsheet on your
laptop, much better than with any calculator. Your Excel spreadsheet
*is* a calculator.
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Why, yes, I am interested in the portability of having a calculator in my
pocket. And the difficulty of sneaking Excel spreadsheets into exams.
The calculator boots faster, too.
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"The hardest conviction to get into the mind of the beginner is that the
education he is receiving in college is not a medical course but a life
course for which the work of a few years under teachers is but a
preparation." -- Sir William Osler |
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Marlowe
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Thu Sep 22, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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One thing that I discovered when I spent my short stint as a financial
planner was that the "old heads" cut their teeth on the HP financial
calculators and are very adamant the HPs are the only way to go. Despite
having to use RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) which to me is a very clumsy way
to use a calculator. When I showed up at the office with my $30 BA II Plus
they gave me a hard time until I demonstrated that my $30 calculator could
do the same functions as their pricey HP calcs and do it faster.
As an aside, I recently was vacationing and needed a calculator and bought a
$4 "Le World" scientific calculator. It is unbelievable. I can convert
numbers from decimal to hexadecimal to octal to binary with a single key
stroke, in addition to all the regular scientific calculations. This has
the same capability of the HP scientific calculator (yes it had the dreaded
RPN) that NASA issued to me in 1972 that had a price tag of $395. I was
branch chief of 35 engineers and programmers and we all had to share it.
Gosh how times have changed.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgsuqr$4f3$3@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
| Quote: | In article <JoKXe.565$0m6.452@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Marlowe <MarlowedcNYET@earthlink.net> wrote:
I like the BA II Plus for ease of use, but I cannot judge it versus with
the
others.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgmtbh$3r0$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a
business
calculator?
The BA series got a lot of unfavorable remarks versus the HPs on Amazon.
But I suppose if they're commonly used, they can't be horrible.
--
"No one need be surprised that the subject of contagion was not clear to
our ancestors."-- Heironymus Fracastorius, 1546 |
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Gregory L. Hansen
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:21 am Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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I can understand RPN if you're programming a primitive parser that pushes
numbers on to a stack and pops them off. But I've never understood why
people would purposefully make the effort to train themselves to calculate
that way when they didn't have to.
In article <NFzYe.2154$0m6.1691@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Marlowe <MarlowedcNYET@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | One thing that I discovered when I spent my short stint as a financial
planner was that the "old heads" cut their teeth on the HP financial
calculators and are very adamant the HPs are the only way to go. Despite
having to use RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) which to me is a very clumsy way
to use a calculator. When I showed up at the office with my $30 BA II Plus
they gave me a hard time until I demonstrated that my $30 calculator could
do the same functions as their pricey HP calcs and do it faster.
As an aside, I recently was vacationing and needed a calculator and bought a
$4 "Le World" scientific calculator. It is unbelievable. I can convert
numbers from decimal to hexadecimal to octal to binary with a single key
stroke, in addition to all the regular scientific calculations. This has
the same capability of the HP scientific calculator (yes it had the dreaded
RPN) that NASA issued to me in 1972 that had a price tag of $395. I was
branch chief of 35 engineers and programmers and we all had to share it.
Gosh how times have changed.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgsuqr$4f3$3@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
In article <JoKXe.565$0m6.452@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
Marlowe <MarlowedcNYET@earthlink.net> wrote:
I like the BA II Plus for ease of use, but I cannot judge it versus with
the
others.
"Gregory L. Hansen" <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote in message
news:dgmtbh$3r0$2@rainier.uits.indiana.edu...
I'm interested in buying a business calculator, and I thought I may as
well get one that's approved for use in the actuarial exams. The list I
got from a CAS web page is
BA-35
BA II Plus
BA II Plus Professional
TI-30X
TI-30X a
TI-30X II
I think the TI-30Xes are scientific calculators, and I have a few of
those. Does anyone have strong opinions or recommendations for a
business
calculator?
The BA series got a lot of unfavorable remarks versus the HPs on Amazon.
But I suppose if they're commonly used, they can't be horrible.
--
"No one need be surprised that the subject of contagion was not clear to
our ancestors."-- Heironymus Fracastorius, 1546
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Greg Hennessy
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:00 am Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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On 2005-09-23, Gregory L. Hansen <glhansen@steel.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | I can understand RPN if you're programming a primitive parser that pushes
numbers on to a stack and pops them off.
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As a scientist, I find it much easier to do complicated chains of
calculations with RPN than with a "normal" calculator. |
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Ed
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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"Greg Hennessy" <greg.hennessy@tantalus.no-ip.org> wrote
| Quote: | As a scientist, I find it much easier to do complicated chains of
calculations with RPN than with a "normal" calculator.
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That's good news, I thought anything tougher than tying your shoes would
have you calling for help.
If the government will pay $600 for a toilet seat but call it something
else, how much will they pay for Greg Hennessey and call him a 'scientist'? |
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larry moe 'n curly
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 3:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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Marlowe wrote:
| Quote: | One thing that I discovered when I spent my short stint as a financial
planner was that the "old heads" cut their teeth on the HP financial
calculators and are very adamant the HPs are the only way to go. Despite
having to use RPN (Reverse Polish Notation) which to me is a very clumsy way
to use a calculator.
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Why is it clumsy? It takes the fewest number of keystrokes, and it
took me, a slow learner, only a few minutes to get used to it. |
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Ed
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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"Greg Hennessy" <greg.hennessy@tantalus.no-ip.org> wrote
| Quote: | That's good news, I thought anything tougher than tying your shoes would
have you calling for help.
Ed, why don't you fuck off and die?
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Everyone dies but what a mean thing to say.
Perhaps you are beginning to understand how it feels to have you constantly
responding to my posts with nothing more than inflammatory remarks. That's
good.
Where did you get your degee in science? How far did you go? PhD? |
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Greg Hennessy
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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On 2005-09-23, Ed <friday@fishinthe.net> wrote:
| Quote: | That's good news, I thought anything tougher than tying your shoes would
have you calling for help.
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Ed, why don't you fuck off and die? |
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Steven L.
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
| Quote: | I can understand RPN if you're programming a primitive parser that pushes
numbers on to a stack and pops them off. But I've never understood why
people would purposefully make the effort to train themselves to calculate
that way when they didn't have to.
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Because you don't have to worry about balancing deep nests of
parentheses. Remembering when to open and close a parenthesis in a
complex calculation takes powers of mental visualization.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. |
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Greg Hennessy
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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On 2005-09-23, Ed <friday@fishinthe.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Ed, why don't you fuck off and die?
Everyone dies but what a mean thing to say.
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You have been an asshole towards me for literally years. I'm finally
responding in kind.
| Quote: | Perhaps you are beginning to understand how it feels to have you constantly
responding to my posts with nothing more than inflammatory remarks.
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I never insulted you in any posts, nor posted irrelavent things. When
you would boast about beating the index, I would point out it was all
unverifiable, or point out your public picks to beat the index didn't,
both of which are appropriate discussions on
misc.invest.mutual-funds.
Jumping into a post about calculators to post nothing but insults to
me show what a bitter man you are. |
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Ed
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Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:
Re: Business Calculators |
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"Greg Hennessy" <greg.hennessy@tantalus.no-ip.org> wrote
| Quote: | On 2005-09-23, Ed <friday@fishinthe.net> wrote:
Ed, why don't you fuck off and die?
Everyone dies but what a mean thing to say.
You have been an asshole towards me for literally years. I'm finally
responding in kind.
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I really thought is was the other way around, I'm not kidding.
| Quote: | Perhaps you are beginning to understand how it feels to have you
constantly
responding to my posts with nothing more than inflammatory remarks.
I never insulted you in any posts, nor posted irrelavent things. When
you would boast about beating the index, I would point out it was all
unverifiable,
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Yes, you called me a liar. Anything anyone says here is unverifiable. If you
want absolute verifiable fact then what the hell are you doing here?
| Quote: | or point out your public picks to beat the index didn't,
both of which are appropriate discussions on
misc.invest.mutual-funds.
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That was buy and hold and it was for fun. If you can tie your shoes you know
that. I have my doubts.
| Quote: | Jumping into a post about calculators to post nothing but insults to
me show what a bitter man you are.
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I'm not. That's why I try to get down to "the most magical place on earth"
at least once each year. I love being around people, especially happy
children.
You, on the other hand, are one of the biggest assholes I've encountered.
So, where did you get your degree in science? How far did you go? PhD? |
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