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alohacyberian
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

"David Wilkinson" <david@wilkinson6337.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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alohacyberian wrote:
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"dgk" <sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote in message
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That mythhical 100,000 figure that an unnamed propagandist pulled out of
thin air (or his "nether throat") has never been substantiated by any
plausible source on the planet. Such melodramatic hysteria is laughable.
Nonetheless, it's always amazed me that those who toss about that
exaggerated pseudo-statistic, are completely insouciant about the fact
that Saddam Hussein daily raped, tortured, maimed and slaughtered massive
numbers of people whose total numbers make 100,000 look like child's
play.
And the self-same souls are noticeably silent concerning the mass graves
in Iraq. Nonetheless the vast majority of Iraqis will be thankful for the
allied invasion till the day they die. KM
OBQ:
"Some are born mad. Some remain so."
~ Samuel Beckett

100,000 may be too many but it is probably more than 25,000. The point you
are missing is that no one is counting. To the Americans it does not
matter. They are only Iraqis, after all. All foreigners are expendable.

I never stated that, hinted at it or even implied it. You have created
something out of thin air, falsely attributed it to me and then argued
against your own dishonest invention.

And if Americans really felt the way you claim they do, they would never
have participated in the invasion of Iraq, but, rather allowed Saddam
Hussein to continue his bloodbath. If what you say is true, the Americans
wouldn't have arrested Saddam Hussein and turned him over to Iraq for
prosecution. If what you say is true, Americans would not have allowed the
Iraqis to form their own government and vote in their own elections. Your
remarks are oversimplified, hysterical melodrama that no rational person
would find credible. KM
OBQ:
"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely
stupid."
~ Heinrich Heine

When was the last American government expression of regret for killing
100,000 people in Iraq or for killing any one of them, come to that? Or for
the average 25 a day being killed now
Uh, the pseudo-statistic of 100,000 is laughable as is your 25 daily

hysterical melodrama. KM
OBQ:
"It is a far, far better thing to have a firm anchor in nonsense than to put
out on the troubled seas of thought."
~ John Kenneth Galbraith
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alohacyberian
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

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kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
I guess my response to Arne was not politically correct enough for you.
Come on back when you want to talk about your "heroes" who fell far
short on the mission they selected to perform.

Kathy AND Ken

Oh Kathy, I am very pleased that Ken shares your opinion. I do not care
about "politically" correct. What care for is having a fair debate of
ideas based upon the available information, without having participants
trying to intimidate, harrass or otherwise bully and / or want to
exclude somebody.

Ken and you might step down from your Olympus and mingle with us poor
limited humans in explaining exactly what you would have been expecting
from the people you did call "heroes", in order to give them the
absolution of having perfomed the mission.

Another debate could be, what other issue would you have recommended?

Dear Kathy and Ken, I shall greatly appreciate receiving you kind
precise answers to my questions ASAP, as I am already getting a stiff
neck and eye burns looking so high above me directly into your
sunshine. :-)

Your hopes will never be achieved when dealing with such elitists. ;-) KM

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"There is but an inch of difference between the cushioned chamber and the
padded cell."
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alohacyberian
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

<kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There you go crawling into your shell again alohacyberian when
confronted with the truth. Just like a turtle.

LOL! Once again you demonstrate your inability to either respond to the

issues under discussion or do anything other than make personal attacks. No
amount of money, influence, persuasion or words can possibly paint elite
Leftwing Liberals in a worse light than they gladly portray themselves. Keep
up the good work, its benefits are felt on election day! ;-) KM
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"People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession
of character."
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:01 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

<kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I guess my response to Arne was not politically correct enough for you.

Uh, "political correctness" is the milieu of elitist Leftwing Liberals and is

hardly something thinking people would find useful. You very clumsily
attempted to dodge the fact that the last words you wretched up (and
understandably snipped) were totally devoid of any commentary about the issue
under discussion, but, were rather personal slurs and name-calling ad
hominem. You spout off in the manner of a second rate scholar in a second
rate academy where the standard is emulating parrots, which shortly produces
ennui. KM
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"Only mediocrity can be trusted to be always at its best."
~ Sir Max Beerbohm
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Norma
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:27 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

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Oh, my...

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John Bonanno
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

"alohacyberian" <alohacyberian@att.net> wrote in message
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kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I guess my response to Arne was not politically correct enough for you.

Uh, "political correctness" is the milieu of elitist Leftwing Liberals and
is hardly something thinking people would find useful. You very clumsily
attempted to dodge the fact that the last words you wretched up (and
understandably snipped) were totally devoid of any commentary about the
issue under discussion, but, were rather personal slurs and name-calling
ad hominem. You spout off in the manner of a second rate scholar in a
second rate academy where the standard is emulating parrots, which shortly
produces ennui. KM
OBQ:
"Only mediocrity can be trusted to be always at its best."
~ Sir Max Beerbohm
--
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"GREYFACE

In the year 1166 B.C., a malcontented hunchbrain by the name of
Greyface, got it into his head that the universe was as humorless as
he, and he began to teach that play was sinful because it contradicted
the ways of Serious Order. "Look at all the order about you," he
said. And from that, he deluded honest men to believe that reality
was a strait jacket affair and not the happy romance as men had known
it.

It is not presently understood why men were so gullible at that
particular time, for absolutely no one thought to observe all the
_disorder_ around them and conclude just the opposite. But anyway,
Greyface and his followers took the game of playing at life more
seriously than they took life itself and were known even to destroy
other living beings whose ways of life differed from their own.

The unfortunate result of this is that mankind has since been
suffering from a psychological and spiritual imbalance. Imbalance
causes frustration, and frustration causes fear. And fear makes a bad
trip. Man has been on a bad trip for a long time now.

It is called THE CURSE OF GREYFACE.

Bullshit makes
the flowers grow
& that's beautiful." from P R I N C I P I A - D I S C O R D I A, HOW I FOUND
GODDESS AND WHAT I DID TO HER WHEN I FOUND HER, THE MAGNUM OPIATE OF
MALACLYPSE THE YOUNGER,Wherein Is Explained Absolutely Everything Worth
Knowing About Absolutely Anything

John Bonanno
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Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:42 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

"alohacyberian" <alohacyberian@att.net> wrote in message
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The Children of the Night--Edward Arlington Robinson

For those that never know the light,
The darkness is a sullen thing;
And they, the Children of the Night,
Seem lost in Fortune's winnowing.

But some are strong and some are weak, --
And there's the story. House and home
Are shut from countless hearts that seek
World-refuge that will never come.

And if there be no other life,
And if there be no other chance
To weigh their sorrow and their strife
Than in the scales of circumstance,

'T were better, ere the sun go down
Upon the first day we embark,
In life's imbittered sea to drown,
Than sail forever in the dark.

But if there be a soul on earth
So blinded with its own misuse
Of man's revealed, incessant worth,
Or worn with anguish, that it views

No light but for a mortal eye,
No rest but of a mortal sleep,
No God but in a prophet's lie,
No faith for "honest doubt" to keep;

If there be nothing, good or bad,
But chaos for a soul to trust, --
God counts it for a soul gone mad,
And if God be God, He is just.

And if God be God, He is Love;
And though the Dawn be still so dim,
It shows us we have played enough
With creeds that make a fiend of Him.

There is one creed, and only one,
That glorifies God's excellence;
So cherish, that His will be done,
The common creed of common sense.

It is the crimson, not the gray,
That charms the twilight of all time;
It is the promise of the day
That makes the starry sky sublime;

It is the faith within the fear
That holds us to the life we curse; --
So let us in ourselves revere
The Self which is the Universe!

Let us, the Children of the Night,
Put off the cloak that hides the scar!
Let us be Children of the Light,
And tell the ages what we are!

David Wilkinson
Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

alohacyberian wrote:

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"David Wilkinson" <david@wilkinson6337.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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What gave America the right to invade a foreign country that posed no
threat to itself and had never attacked America or harmed it in any way?

Uh, Iraq was in violation of 17 enforceable United Nations resolutions which
allowed for armed invasion and Iraq was non-compliant with the Safwan Accords
which were signed by Saddam Hussein himself and which allowed for military
invasion in the event of their non-compliance. KM

But Saddam had no WMDs of any type and had almost completely disarmed

except for a few old Russian tanks and some small arms by the time of
the US/UK invasion. This was confirmed by the UN inspectors who had
spent months checking and had found no arms at all. And, of course, the
US knew this anyway from constant over-flying of Iraq with spy planes
and from satellite observations.

As a result the UN Security Council had refused to sanction an invasion
and several members, including France and China had made it clear they
would veto any such resolution. There was no legal justification for the
invasion.

Like Bush at the time you just don't want to know this as it makes the
US into an aggressor, invading for its own foreign policy reasons, which
had nothing to do with UN resolutions.

All the US could do was denigrate the UN because it opposed the war. It
is still gunning for the UN because it will not do what it is told by
the US. How dare 96% of the world disobey the other 4%! The latest US
move is to put in John Bolton to try to bully the UN into submission but
like all Bush's actions that is a failure too.

Quote:

If America is pretending to be a self-appointed world policeman why is it
so selective about which country it attacks? Why Iraq and not China,
Zimbabwe, North Korea, Ethiopia, or a dozen or so other African
dictatorships, or Saudi Arabia or half a dozen other absolute monarchys all
with dismal human rights records?

Those with any assets worth having are just too big to attack. Even

North Korea has a million troops under arms and would be anything but a
pushover and might well have nuclear arms they are not telling about.

Others like Zimbabwe may be murdering and starving and torturing its
people, destroying their dwellings and fiddling the elections but they
have no oil or other assets worth pinching so there is no point in
invading them.

Quote:

Simply, because none of those countries are in violation of enforceable
United Nations resolutions and are not noncompliant with things like the
Safwan Accords. Pretty simple, huh? KM
OBQ:
"People seem not to see that their opinion of the world is also a confession
of character."
~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

Guest

Posted: Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: How can Dick Cheney say that had it not of been for the

John Bonanno wrote:

Quote:

"Only mediocrity can be trusted to be always at its best."
~ Sir Max Beerbohm

The Children of the Night--Edward Arlington Robinson

For those that never know the light,
The darkness is a sullen thing;
And they, the Children of the Night,
Seem lost in Fortune's winnowing.

But some are strong and some are weak, --
And there's the story. House and home
Are shut from countless hearts that seek
World-refuge that will never come.

And if there be no other life,
And if there be no other chance
To weigh their sorrow and their strife
Than in the scales of circumstance,

'T were better, ere the sun go down
Upon the first day we embark,
In life's imbittered sea to drown,
Than sail forever in the dark.

But if there be a soul on earth
So blinded with its own misuse
Of man's revealed, incessant worth,
Or worn with anguish, that it views

No light but for a mortal eye,
No rest but of a mortal sleep,
No God but in a prophet's lie,
No faith for "honest doubt" to keep;

If there be nothing, good or bad,
But chaos for a soul to trust, --
God counts it for a soul gone mad,
And if God be God, He is just.

And if God be God, He is Love;
And though the Dawn be still so dim,
It shows us we have played enough
With creeds that make a fiend of Him.

There is one creed, and only one,
That glorifies God's excellence;
So cherish, that His will be done,
The common creed of common sense.

It is the crimson, not the gray,
That charms the twilight of all time;
It is the promise of the day
That makes the starry sky sublime;

It is the faith within the fear
That holds us to the life we curse; --
So let us in ourselves revere
The Self which is the Universe!

Let us, the Children of the Night,
Put off the cloak that hides the scar!
Let us be Children of the Light,
And tell the ages what we are!

Absolutely beautiful John. I am sure that many lurkers on this NG shall
have appreciated being able to read some positive cultural contribution
to viewing the problems of the world, elevating greatly the pityful
level of aggressive and rude postings a few people enjoy to impose on
others.

Educated unbiaised people of the world unite against the tyranny of
fanatics and liberate this NG from mediocrity!

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