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<kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | JJ's response to me and Ken:
You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
No, he didn't imdicate any such thing. You created something out of thin air, |
falsely attributed to him and proceded to argue against your own invention.
Rational people don't fall for those tactics. KM
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alohacyberian
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<kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Arne wrote:
In the spirit of the day, I got a vanity plate with a variation of "LET'S
ROLL" for my motorcycle. Made me feel good to pull the double entendre.
When
I handed the application to the Motor Vehicle person, she stared at it
quizzically, then smiled, and said 'got it'.....
Let's never forget our heroes.. especially those ordinary people, who when
give the choice, rose to the occasion.
Todd Beamer was not a hero. He and the other people on that plane who
decided they were going to take the plane back had a mission. A
mission they failed miserably at.
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Preventing the aircraft from reaching its intended target was hardly a
failure. And they were heroes in the eyes of decent, wholesome people who
appreciate the hundreds of lives that may very well have been saved. Can you
imagine what would have happened if the same sort of heroes had been on the
two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. 3,000+ lives would have
been saved, two buildings saved and the likes of you woujld have say the
failed miserably. Such views are stupefying. KM
OBQ:
"We don't have to turn to our history books for heroes. They're all around
us. Don't let anyone tell that America's best days are behind her that the
American spirit has been vanquished. We've seen it triumph too often in our
lives to stop believing in it now."
~ Ronald Reagan
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alohacyberian
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
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"Arne" <arnereil@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Forgot, given that the heroes on flight 93 died, I do appreciate that they
took with them 4 very disappointed terrorists, who were probably really
pissed off that all they destroyed was a field in Pennsylvania....
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Yeah, but, the terrorists probably weren't nearly as pissed off as the people
who refuse to see the civilian passengers on Flight 93 as heroes! ;-) Keep
the faith, baby! KM
OBQ:
"As an Iraqi Australian who is proud to be a citizen of this wonderful
country, I salute you. My heart is with you and also with the people in my
beloved Iraq. ...
"Dear Australian soldiers, remember this: every individual Iraqi has been
wounded physically or emotionally. You are on a sacred mission. You are on a
mission to bring a smile to a child's face. You will help relieve the elderly
of their agonies. You will help pave the road to a new life. You will give
hope to thousands of mothers who lost their beloved ones in the dark torture
chambers of the regime. Your names will be recorded as heroes in the bright
lists of history. You will help restore the weeping face of humanity with
your good deeds."
~ Hadi Kazwini
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http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,6158258%255E7583,00.html
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Joe
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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William Innes wrote:
| Quote: | Sheesh, just look at the feud between two ideological Founding Brothers such
as Jefferson and Adams.
Hamilton and Jefferson...
The smear campaign that was geared towards Jefferson.
You're right...it's been around since our country's first days.
I think the only President who came closest to being truly revered by all
was Washington.
After that...no one was immune to mud-slinging...
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It really is one of the more fascinating aspects of American History,
how we have survived as a nation this long....lol. I don't think we'll
ever be as divided as we were during the pre-Civil War period. At least
we don't have Senators thrashing each other with baseball bats. In
fact, in many ways, our politics today are tamer than in other ages. We
have no significant third party, and the two parties which do exist
pretty much meet the needs of most Americans. |
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Herb
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
If you think of this terrorist attack as an act of war, you will see why
they chose Washington DC as a target and not, say, Disney World.
Congress was in session that morning. Had the plane destroyed the
Capitol Building, it might have killed dozens of Congressmen and
Senators. I don't know how many Congresspeople were attending the
sessions that day but if a majority were there then we came close to
losing our Government, because:
There's a flaw in our Constitution in that there is no way to appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case they're killed.
(There is a way to appoint temporary replacements for your Senators.)
Had the House of Representatives been wiped out, it would have
decapitated the Federal Government. There would have been NO WAY to
pass laws anymore. There wouldn't have been a way for Congress to
authorize military force or anything else because all that requires a
vote of both houses of Congress.
The passengers on Flight 93 probably prevented the total decapitation of
the U.S. Government. Think about it.
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I guess you don't remember: at the first sign of trouble, Congress ran like
rats with their tails between their legs. It was inspiring to see our
so-called leaders skedaddle like the President.
-herb
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Steven L.
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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JJ wrote:
| Quote: | What do you think - the hijackers were going to fly the plane to DC and land
it and let everyone off??????
Of course not - they were going to crash it into something like the White
House or Capitol. They have the 20th hijacker in custody (Moussaoui) who
was supposed to be on that plane - don't you think it is likely that he has
told them what the plans were???
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By now our intelligence and law enforcement agencies are pretty sure the
intended target was the Capitol. It's a big target and from the air,
it's a lot easier for a novice pilot to spot than the White House is.
And Congress was in session that morning.
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Arne
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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I certainly hope not. For one thing, I'm not sure I have a font for Arabic
and also, they were not in airplanes.... and they were not in the USA....
things close to home are always more important.....
And, what's with all this x-posting crap... I need a new rule..
Arne
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"dgk" <sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote in message >
| Quote: | Now what about the 100,000 or so Iraqi folks that we killed so that
our neo-cons can fulfill their plan to rule the world? Are we going to
be reading their names anytime soon? |
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Steven L.
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
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If you think of this terrorist attack as an act of war, you will see why
they chose Washington DC as a target and not, say, Disney World.
Congress was in session that morning. Had the plane destroyed the
Capitol Building, it might have killed dozens of Congressmen and
Senators. I don't know how many Congresspeople were attending the
sessions that day but if a majority were there then we came close to
losing our Government, because:
There's a flaw in our Constitution in that there is no way to appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case they're killed.
(There is a way to appoint temporary replacements for your Senators.)
Had the House of Representatives been wiped out, it would have
decapitated the Federal Government. There would have been NO WAY to
pass laws anymore. There wouldn't have been a way for Congress to
authorize military force or anything else because all that requires a
vote of both houses of Congress.
The passengers on Flight 93 probably prevented the total decapitation of
the U.S. Government. Think about it.
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Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. |
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dgk
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Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject:
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:56:09 GMT, "alohacyberian"
<alohacyberian@att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126555787.976979.300560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Arne wrote:
In the spirit of the day, I got a vanity plate with a variation of "LET'S
ROLL" for my motorcycle. Made me feel good to pull the double entendre.
When
I handed the application to the Motor Vehicle person, she stared at it
quizzically, then smiled, and said 'got it'.....
Let's never forget our heroes.. especially those ordinary people, who when
give the choice, rose to the occasion.
Todd Beamer was not a hero. He and the other people on that plane who
decided they were going to take the plane back had a mission. A
mission they failed miserably at.
Preventing the aircraft from reaching its intended target was hardly a
failure. And they were heroes in the eyes of decent, wholesome people who
appreciate the hundreds of lives that may very well have been saved. Can you
imagine what would have happened if the same sort of heroes had been on the
two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. 3,000+ lives would have
been saved, two buildings saved and the likes of you woujld have say the
failed miserably. Such views are stupefying. KM
OBQ:
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Umm. It seems likely that they knew they were going to die only
because the two planes had already crashed into the WTC, which they
had heard about. If the folks on the first two planes had known they
were about to fly into the WTC, I suspect they might have done
something. Doing something because you're going to die otherwise may
still be brave, but there wasn't much of an option left.
Now what about the 100,000 or so Iraqi folks that we killed so that
our neo-cons can fulfill their plan to rule the world? Are we going to
be reading their names anytime soon? |
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STOP_George
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
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BY POPULAR DEMAND!!!
I've made a poster-sized image of this graphic, and it is now available
at Cafe Press.
Can we wait even a SECOND longer?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/9/153437/6364
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Herb
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:02 am Post subject:
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"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Herb wrote:
"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
If you think of this terrorist attack as an act of war, you will see why
they chose Washington DC as a target and not, say, Disney World.
Congress was in session that morning. Had the plane destroyed the
Capitol Building, it might have killed dozens of Congressmen and
Senators. I don't know how many Congresspeople were attending the
sessions that day but if a majority were there then we came close to
losing our Government, because:
There's a flaw in our Constitution in that there is no way to appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case they're killed.
(There is a way to appoint temporary replacements for your Senators.)
Had the House of Representatives been wiped out, it would have
decapitated the Federal Government. There would have been NO WAY to
pass laws anymore. There wouldn't have been a way for Congress to
authorize military force or anything else because all that requires a
vote of both houses of Congress.
The passengers on Flight 93 probably prevented the total decapitation of
the U.S. Government. Think about it.
I guess you don't remember: at the first sign of trouble, Congress ran
like
rats with their tails between their legs.
The Congresspeople were *ordered* out of the building by the Secret
Service and Capitol police, who feared for their safety. As for
President Bush, it was Richard Clarke (beloved of the antiwar crowd
these days) who gave the order to the Secret Service to evacuate him to
a safe location.
None of this is any different from Cold War plans that had been in place
for decades. Under a program dubbed "Continuity of Government," if a
nuclear attack were imminent, the following would all be evacuated to
secure locations: President and his Cabinet; Congressmen and Senators;
the Supreme Court; and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve
System. |
Nobody can order Congress to leave the Capitol nor the President to fly
anywhere he doesn't want to. I know this administration always has someone
else to blame but you know very well where the buck stops.
I believe security is important but I also believe leadership is important.
It's not so much that they ran as it is that they were seen to be running.
-herb |
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Steven L.
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Herb wrote:
| Quote: | "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
If you think of this terrorist attack as an act of war, you will see why
they chose Washington DC as a target and not, say, Disney World.
Congress was in session that morning. Had the plane destroyed the
Capitol Building, it might have killed dozens of Congressmen and
Senators. I don't know how many Congresspeople were attending the
sessions that day but if a majority were there then we came close to
losing our Government, because:
There's a flaw in our Constitution in that there is no way to appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case they're killed.
(There is a way to appoint temporary replacements for your Senators.)
Had the House of Representatives been wiped out, it would have
decapitated the Federal Government. There would have been NO WAY to
pass laws anymore. There wouldn't have been a way for Congress to
authorize military force or anything else because all that requires a
vote of both houses of Congress.
The passengers on Flight 93 probably prevented the total decapitation of
the U.S. Government. Think about it.
I guess you don't remember: at the first sign of trouble, Congress ran like
rats with their tails between their legs.
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The Congresspeople were *ordered* out of the building by the Secret
Service and Capitol police, who feared for their safety. As for
President Bush, it was Richard Clarke (beloved of the antiwar crowd
these days) who gave the order to the Secret Service to evacuate him to
a safe location.
None of this is any different from Cold War plans that had been in place
for decades. Under a program dubbed "Continuity of Government," if a
nuclear attack were imminent, the following would all be evacuated to
secure locations: President and his Cabinet; Congressmen and Senators;
the Supreme Court; and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. |
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V S Rawat
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Wed Sep 14, 2005 12:09 am Post subject:
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On 9/13/05 6:28 PM India Time, _Steven L._ wrote:
| Quote: | kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com wrote:
You seem to be indicating that the people in Washington DC at that time
were more important than the people on that plane. Tsk, tsk.
If you think of this terrorist attack as an act of war, you will see why
they chose Washington DC as a target and not, say, Disney World.
Congress was in session that morning. Had the plane destroyed the
Capitol Building, it might have killed dozens of Congressmen and
Senators. I don't know how many Congresspeople were attending the
sessions that day but if a majority were there then we came close to
losing our Government, because:
There's a flaw in our Constitution in that there is no way to appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case they're killed.
(There is a way to appoint temporary replacements for your Senators.)
Had the House of Representatives been wiped out, it would have
decapitated the Federal Government. There would have been NO WAY to
pass laws anymore. There wouldn't have been a way for Congress to
authorize military force or anything else because all that requires a
vote of both houses of Congress.
The passengers on Flight 93 probably prevented the total decapitation of
the U.S. Government. Think about it.
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Good case.
For 225 years, you lived with this hole? ("Not appoint
temporary replacements for your Representatives in case
they're killed.")
I am sure that your legislature must have filled this hole
ever since. Tell me they haven't. |
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alohacyberian
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"dgk" <sonicechoes-spamless@hot-nospamp-mail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:56:09 GMT, "alohacyberian"
alohacyberian@att.net> wrote:
kathy_andor_ken@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1126555787.976979.300560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Arne wrote:
In the spirit of the day, I got a vanity plate with a variation of
"LET'S
ROLL" for my motorcycle. Made me feel good to pull the double entendre.
When
I handed the application to the Motor Vehicle person, she stared at it
quizzically, then smiled, and said 'got it'.....
Let's never forget our heroes.. especially those ordinary people, who
when
give the choice, rose to the occasion.
Todd Beamer was not a hero. He and the other people on that plane who
decided they were going to take the plane back had a mission. A
mission they failed miserably at.
Preventing the aircraft from reaching its intended target was hardly a
failure. And they were heroes in the eyes of decent, wholesome people who
appreciate the hundreds of lives that may very well have been saved. Can
you
imagine what would have happened if the same sort of heroes had been on the
two planes that crashed into the World Trade Center. 3,000+ lives would
have
been saved, two buildings saved and the likes of you would have said they
failed miserably. Such views are stupefying. KM
OBQ:
Umm. It seems likely that they knew they were going to die only
because the two planes had already crashed into the WTC, which they
had heard about. If the folks on the first two planes had known they
were about to fly into the WTC, I suspect they might have done
something. Doing something because you're going to die otherwise may
still be brave, but there wasn't much of an option left.
Now what about the 100,000 or so Iraqi folks that we killed so that
our neo-cons can fulfill their plan to rule the world? Are we going to
be reading their names anytime soon?
That mythhical 100,000 figure that an unnamed propagandist pulled out of thin |
air (or his "nether throat") has never been substantiated by any plausible
source on the planet. Such melodramatic hysteria is laughable. Nonetheless,
it's always amazed me that those who toss about that exaggerated
pseudo-statistic, are completely insouciant about the fact that Saddam
Hussein daily raped, tortured, maimed and slaughtered massive numbers of
people whose total numbers make 100,000 look like child's play. And the
self-same souls are noticeably silent concerning the mass graves in Iraq.
Nonetheless the vast majority of Iraqis will be thankful for the allied
invasion till the day they die. KM
OBQ:
"Some are born mad. Some remain so."
~ Samuel Beckett
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