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James Chamblee
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:
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Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Iraq Sun - June 25, 2005
http://story.iraqsun.com/p.x/ct/9/id/99d1acc5941d87f3/cid/c31d0aaa23b24a75/
Brzezinski rips Bush Iraq War policy
Carter administration national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski charged
the Iraq War was being conducted with tactical and strategic incompetence.
Brzezinski, in a harshly worded radio address aired Saturday, called for
President Bush to outline what needs to be accomplished before U.S. troops
can leave Iraq.
"Our nation also deserves an honest explanation for how we ended up in Iraq.
And we deserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly
threatens to become a quagmire," Brzezinski said.
With opinion polls showing U.S. public support for the war falling,
Democrats -- and some Republicans -- have become more vocal in saying an
exit strategy should be discussed.
"This war has been conducted with tactical and strategic incompetence. And
.... America finds itself more isolated than ever before, the object of
unprecedented international mistrust," Brzezinski said.
"Our nation also deserves an honest explanation for how we ended up in Iraq.
And we deserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly
threatens to become a quagmire," he said.
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Capitalist Pig
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject:
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Brzezinski? Carter? Weren't these the two clowns who sat around
wringing their hands while Iran held 400+ Americans hostage in the
American Embassy in Tehran? The Iranians were so afraid of Reagan who
succeeeded Carter that they let the hostages go as soon as Reagan was
sworn in as President. What happens if Iran starts building a bomb?
President Bush gives Sharon a map and says Mazel-Tov, Ariel go git 'em! |
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Dave Simpson
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Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject:
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
| Quote: | Brzezinski? Carter? Weren't these the two clowns who sat around
wringing their hands while Iran held 400+ Americans hostage in the
American Embassy in Tehran? The Iranians were so afraid of Reagan who
succeeeded Carter that they let the hostages go as soon as Reagan was
sworn in as President. What happens if Iran starts building a bomb?
President Bush gives Sharon a map and says Mazel-Tov, Ariel go git
'em!
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Brzezinski is a liberal foreign policy big-wig. He has been openly
pro-UN (meriting snickers at least, and often uglier responses, from
the adults) and here may be engaging in a light-weight imitation of
shameless academic prostitute and Dim Party hack Paul Krugman (who has
fans among retardates and anti-Americans, but who is held in contempt
by those of us real Americans who are better).
Brzezinski was okay when he wrote "Game Plan" years ago. Since then
he has become a failing liberal, being foolishly Eurasia-centric ("The
Grand Chessboard") and too quick to criticize (validly or not) the USA
-- especially when liberals such as he don't have control of foreign
policy. Brzezinski's most recent book of note was "The Choice," which
appears in large part to be in reaction to the Bush presidency.
Does one really want Brzezinski to be Secretary of State, and George
Soros to be Treasury Secretary and responsible for our economic policy?
(No, say real Americans.)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0465008003/103-1186407-6789415?v=glance
http://www.cslproductions.com/democracy/bookpicks-authors/Brzezinski-Choice.shtml
http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib060.html
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040301fabook83231/zbigniew-brzezinski/the-choice-global-domination-or-global-leadership.html
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James Chamblee
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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ElaineJ at demeter547opine@yahoo.com wrote
| Quote: | President Bush gives Sharon a map and says Mazel-Tov, Ariel go git 'em!
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Who the hell cares that Israel pretends to be a U.S. ally, thereby gleaning
votes for Bush.
While the rest of the world hates both the Israelis and the Americans, and
they especially hate that U.S. weapons are exclusively used by Israelis
against everybody .
Israel has all those resources that America needs, like oranges; but without
oil.
Israel haqs been discovered spying on the U.S. at least 2 times in the last
20 years.
The U.S. should dtop all aid to Israel. |
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ElaineJ
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
| Quote: | Brzezinski? Carter? Weren't these the two clowns who sat around
wringing their hands while Iran held 400+ Americans hostage in the
American Embassy in Tehran?
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How well trained you are. You remember history just the way the
right wing revised it, just as it didn't happen.
| Quote: | The Iranians were so afraid of Reagan who
Misspelling the fifth word. The correct spelling is "The Iranians |
were so bribed by Reagan who..."
| Quote: | succeeeded Carter that they let the hostages go as soon as Reagan was
sworn in as President.
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And doodness dwacious, what a BIG surprise that was to right wingers.
The rest of us knew manipulation and treasonous agreements with an
enemy when we saw it.
| Quote: | What happens if Iran starts building a bomb?
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An interesting question with a complex answer, which is: Thanks to
the incumbents, we now know exactly how the Three Stooges would've run
the government, an invasion, the economy, and particularly the search
for secret information...
Therefore, Iran's nuclear capability, whatever it may be and whatever
it may be engaged in, will get the same hysterical hype that Iraq's
Amazing Shrinking Invisible Weapons got. Then some exiled charlatan
who wants to be dictator of Iran will view one small spot on one small
Iranian mouse with one huge telescope. He will give advice and write
reports until that single spot is the size of an elephant, at which
point it will be declared a herd of rampaging mastodons, and
Halliburton wins again.
> President Bush gives Sharon a map and says Mazel-Tov, Ariel go git 'em! |
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Alvin Toda
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:04 am Post subject:
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Great article.....hope Bush starts to wake up to this issue. He can
continue to ignore it as long as Republicans in Congress support his
inaction....alvin
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:07:43 GMT, James Chamblee
<jim-chamblee@mindspring.com> wrote:
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Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Iraq Sun - June 25, 2005
http://story.iraqsun.com/p.x/ct/9/id/99d1acc5941d87f3/cid/c31d0aaa23b24a75/
Brzezinski rips Bush Iraq War policy
Carter administration national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski charged
the Iraq War was being conducted with tactical and strategic incompetence.
Brzezinski, in a harshly worded radio address aired Saturday, called for
President Bush to outline what needs to be accomplished before U.S. troops
can leave Iraq.
"Our nation also deserves an honest explanation for how we ended up in Iraq.
And we deserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly
threatens to become a quagmire," Brzezinski said.
With opinion polls showing U.S. public support for the war falling,
Democrats -- and some Republicans -- have become more vocal in saying an
exit strategy should be discussed.
"This war has been conducted with tactical and strategic incompetence. And
... America finds itself more isolated than ever before, the object of
unprecedented international mistrust," Brzezinski said.
"Our nation also deserves an honest explanation for how we ended up in Iraq.
And we deserve a realistic definition of success for a war that increasingly
threatens to become a quagmire," he said.
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Wm James
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Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:03 pm Post subject:
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On 27 Jun 2005 10:09:52 -0700, "Dave Simpson"
<david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Does one really want Brzezinski to be Secretary of State, and George
Soros to be Treasury Secretary and responsible for our economic policy?
(No, say real Americans.)
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Having Brzezinski critisize your policy is such a great positive plug,
it wouldn't be surprizing to find that the republicans were paying him
big bucks to do it.
William R. James |
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Hugh Gibbons
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
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In article <ggi2c15q482v4sr3ke15hs3f9l8fif0vau@4ax.com>,
Wm James <wrjames.remove@spamreaper.org> wrote:
| Quote: | On 27 Jun 2005 10:09:52 -0700, "Dave Simpson"
david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does one really want Brzezinski to be Secretary of State, and George
Soros to be Treasury Secretary and responsible for our economic policy?
(No, say real Americans.)
Having Brzezinski critisize your policy is such a great positive plug,
it wouldn't be surprizing to find that the republicans were paying him
big bucks to do it.
I guess Republicans prefer screw-ups. |
==> ALL COMMENTS IMO <== |
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Capitalist Pig
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:35 pm Post subject:
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Oh yes that's right ElaineJ, Carter launched a failed attempt to rescue
the american hostages on 4/24/80. 8 Americans were killed when the
mission was aborted because of a sandstorm, 3 helicopters were also
lost. Sect'y of State Cyrus Vance resigned. This lame attempt to
confront a bully like the Ayatollah Homeni show the world that America
was weak and would turn tail and run. Failure by a superpower only
encourages attacks like 9/11. Reagan turned everything around. |
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James Chamblee
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:04 pm Post subject:
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Capitalist Pig at bravegars@charter.net wrote
| Quote: | Oh yes that's right ElaineJ, Carter launched a failed attempt to rescue
the american hostages on 4/24/80. 8 Americans were killed when the
mission was aborted because of a sandstorm, 3 helicopters were also
lost. Sect'y of State Cyrus Vance resigned. This lame attempt to
confront a bully like the Ayatollah Homeni show the world that America
was weak and would turn tail and run. Failure by a superpower only
encourages attacks like 9/11. Reagan turned everything around.
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As usual, you've got the story 100 percent wrong.
The major reason for the failure of the hostage rescue mission was the
failure by the military to use the intelligence that they had. One
example:
The "unused road" in the desert near the "remote" helicptor rendezvous site,
was a major highway, which is why buses full of people came along in the
middle of the night.
What the military planners failed to recognize is that all their aerial &
satellite photos of the road area were taken near noon, local time, when
nobody travels in the desert because of the heat. At night, when the
choppers landed, however, the road is heavily used, which is why scores of
Iranians quickly showed up. Carter had nothing to do with that.
Second, MacAulufe and his cronies have admitted that they were meeting
secretly with the Iranians to undercut Carter, by promising the Iranians
arms (Which Carter wouldn't do) in exchange for KEEPING the hostages
prisoner, so that Carter could not get them released.
So, the Reagan people made the hosages suffer for months longer in captivity
than they needed to.
That in itself was a traitorous act that the Reaganites should have gome to
jail for. |
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Capitalist Pig
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:24 pm Post subject:
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Oh it was the military's fault. president Jimmy Carter orders a half
ass mission to rescue 52 Americans held hostage in Iran and its the
military's fault when the plan doesn't work. Its a good thing that
America wasn't attacked by a REAL enemy like the USSR. McAulufe?
McAulufe who? |
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Dave Simpson
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Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:
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William James wrote:
| Quote: | Having Brzezinski critisize your policy is such a great positive plug,
it wouldn't be surprizing to find that the republicans were paying him
big bucks to do it.
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Don't forget all the suckers -- not only the Usual Suspects, but
other,
gullible, or worse chumps -- who would buy his, Soros's, Chomsky's
complaints and rants. There's a big market for The Message among
the stupid set. |
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Capitalist Pig
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:05 am Post subject:
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Reagan promised the Iranians arms??? Are you totally nuts??? The
Ayatollah Homeni was in control of Iran. Iran had PLENTY arms and a
military. Reagan didn't give them anything except strike the fear of
God in the mullahs, that's why they freed the hostages the day Reagan
was sworn in as President. And who's the "McAulufe" to whom you keep
referring? And what negotiations did he carry on behind Carter's back? |
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James Chamblee
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:06 am Post subject:
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Capitalist Pig at bravegars@charter.net wrote
| Quote: | Oh it was the military's fault. president Jimmy Carter orders a half
ass mission to rescue 52 Americans held hostage in Iran
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Carter gave the mission, and the military reepeatedly said they could do it.
| Quote: | and its the
military's fault when the plan doesn't work.
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It wasn't Carter's plan. It was the military plan. Presidents are careful
not to impose any military plans.
Revealing once again how very ignorant you are. |
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Wm James
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Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:04 am Post subject:
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On 29 Jun 2005 09:35:20 -0700, "Dave Simpson"
<david_l_simpson@yahoo.com> wrote:
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William James wrote:
Having Brzezinski critisize your policy is such a great positive plug,
it wouldn't be surprizing to find that the republicans were paying him
big bucks to do it.
Don't forget all the suckers -- not only the Usual Suspects, but
other,
gullible, or worse chumps -- who would buy his, Soros's, Chomsky's
complaints and rants. There's a big market for The Message among
the stupid set.
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There always has been. Art Bell's made a pretty good living with
conspiracy kooks' rants and nonsense. The WWF is big business because
some people like to be lied to.
William R. James |
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